The LandTrust Podcast

Preserving Legacy: Ranching, LandTrust, and Outdoor Access

How can you balance tradition with modern challenges? Join us on the LandTrust Podcast as we dive into the inspiring story of Bayard Black, a fifth-generation rancher from Gallatin Gateway, Montana. Bayard shares how his historic Black Ranch, rooted before Montana’s statehood, thrives amid rising costs and development pressures. Through LandTrust, he’s opened his land for outdoor experiences like fishing, shed hunting, and photography, creating income while preserving his family’s legacy. This episode explores ranching, conservation, and innovative land access solutions, offering insights for landowners and outdoor enthusiasts. Tune in to discover how Bayard’s journey can inspire you to connect with nature and support sustainable land use.
 
What You Will Learn:
How to generate income from private land while preserving its legacy.
Strategies for managing rising costs as a landowner or rancher.
Tips for using platforms like LandTrust to share outdoor experiences.
Ways to balance conservation with financial sustainability.
How to foster meaningful connections with guests on your property.
Key Topics Discussed:
The history of Black Ranch and its pre-Montana statehood roots.
Challenges of rising property taxes and input costs in ranching.
How LandTrust helps Bayard share his land without compromising values.
The impact of community support for conservation through direct payments.
Bayard’s approach to hosting Wounded Warriors and first-time hunters.
Overcoming skepticism to embrace innovative land-sharing solutions.
Show Resources:
LandTrust Website: Explore outdoor experiences or list your land at LandTrust.com.
Black Ranch Listings: Book fishing, shed hunting, or photography at Black Ranch on LandTrust.
Contact LandTrust: Call or text 406-709-8450 for landowner support.
Quotes:
“I don’t care if it’s worth a dollar. That makes no difference to me. If I sold it, I’d just start another ranch somewhere.” – Bayard Black [00:00:00]
“LandTrust has been what’s kept me in the black, right on that edge.” – Bayard Black [00:18:00]
“This is not our land. It’s God’s land, and He’s got a plan.” – Bayard Black [00:29:00]
 
Transcript Excerpts:
[00:05:00] “I’ll be out fixing fence and see a corral pole that’s still holding, probably something my great-grandpa put in. The way they dug ditches to bring water across miles is incredible. It’s humbling and puts a sense of responsibility to do the same for future generations.” – Bayard on the legacy of Black Ranch.
[00:11:00] “LandTrust is one of those tools to keep the ranch the way it is. I get to meet folks who are so appreciative. I’ve never had to babysit anyone. They’re respectful, write great reviews, and it’s been a really good experience.” – Bayard on hosting with LandTrust.
Conclusion:
 
Bayard Black’s story is a powerful reminder of how innovation and tradition can coexist to preserve land and create meaningful outdoor experiences. Visit LandTrust.com to explore Black Ranch or list your own property. Share this episode with a friend who loves the outdoors!

The Future of Hunting: AI, Mapping, and the Digital Outdoor Ecosystem with Matt Habiger

How is technology reshaping the way we hunt and experience the outdoors? Join Nic De Castro on the LandTrust Podcast as he sits down with Matt Habiger, CEO of BaseMap, to explore the intersection of AI, mapping, and the digital outdoor industry. From intelligent mapping layers to open-source innovation, Matt shares his vision for making hunt planning more accessible and efficient. Discover how data science and technology are transforming the outdoor experience for hunters, landowners, and enthusiasts alike. Whether you're a tech-savvy hunter or curious about the future of outdoor recreation, this episode offers insights into the tools and trends driving the industry forward. 
What You Will Learn
How AI and data science are revolutionizing hunt planning and mapping
The potential of intelligent mapping layers to enhance outdoor navigation
Why open-source data could unlock innovation in the hunting industry
The role of private land hunters in the digital outdoor ecosystem
Strategies for building a unified customer experience in outdoor recreation
 
Key Topics Discussed
The evolution of digital mapping: From static layers to AI-driven intelligence
Challenges of standardizing hunting regulations across 50 states
Opportunities for connected devices like trail cameras and rangefinders
The untapped potential of private land hunters in the mapping market
How daydreams turn into hunting trips with the right technology
The business of outdoor tech: Consolidation, competition, and customer focus
Show Resources and Links
BaseMap Website: ⁠basemap.com⁠
LandTrust Website: ⁠landtrust.com⁠
LandTrust Landowner Page: ⁠landtrust.com/landowners⁠
Contact Matt Habiger: matt.habiger@basemap.com (mailto:matt.habiger@basemap.com)
LandTrust/BaseMap Partnership Announcement: Check BaseMap’s app for LandTrust hunting properties (rolling out soon after June 11, 2025).
 
Notable Quotes
"There’s tremendous opportunity to make mapping intelligent, to understand what the objective of the user is, and then to just show and highlight the most important things for them as they’re navigating." — Matt Habiger
"Nine out of ten hunters hunt private land. Mapping companies need to understand that audience, not just the public land hunter." — Nic De Castro
"The digital outdoor ecosystem is so important for people who don’t have as much time to go outside and need to maximize their experience." — Nic De Castro
"Open source could be a total landscape shift for the outdoor industry, from regulations to trail data." — Matt Habiger
 
Conclusion
This episode of the LandTrust Podcast dives deep into the future of hunting and outdoor recreation, where technology is breaking down barriers and creating new opportunities. Matt Habiger’s insights as a data scientist turned outdoor tech CEO highlight the exciting potential of AI, intelligent mapping, and open-source innovation. As the digital outdoor ecosystem evolves, tools like BaseMap and LandTrust are empowering hunters to turn daydreams into reality with smarter, more efficient planning. Subscribe to the LandTrust Podcast for more conversations with industry insiders shaping the future of the outdoors. 

How Rec Tech is Redefining Outdoor Access with Alex Maier of onWater

How is technology transforming the way we experience the outdoors? Join host Nick DeCastro on the LandTrust Podcast as he sits down with Alex Maier, Chief Marketing Officer of onWater, to explore the intersection of land technology and outdoor recreation. In this episode, part of the Outsides Insiders series, Alex shares his journey from working with brands like Nike and OnX Maps to leading a platform that’s revolutionizing fishing and paddling access across the U.S. Discover how rec tech is addressing challenges like crowded public lands, ethical outdoor practices, and conservation through data-driven solutions. Tune in to learn how platforms like onWater and LandTrust are shaping the future of outdoor experiences while ensuring sustainability for generations to come.
 
What You Will Learn:
How rec tech is enhancing outdoor recreation while protecting natural ecosystems
The role of data in improving access and user experiences for fishing and paddling
Strategies for effective product marketing in the outdoor industry
The importance of stakeholder collaboration in building sustainable outdoor platforms
How digital tools can disperse recreational pressure and create better experiences
 
Key Topics Discussed:
The evolution of outdoor recreation through digital platforms and why it’s critical for the industry’s future
onWater’s mission to map U.S. hydrology and provide fishing and paddling access for all
The balance between increasing outdoor participation and preventing issues like spot burning
Challenges of navigating 50 state-specific regulations and the need for standardized data schemas
Insights into user acquisition and marketing strategies for rec tech startups
The impact of private land access on reducing pressure on public lands
How rec tech supports conservation through citizen science and partnerships
 
Show Resources and Links:
onWater: ⁠https://www.onwaterapp.com⁠
Paddle Ways: ⁠https://www.paddleways.com⁠
LandTrust: ⁠https://www.landtrust.com⁠
LandTrust Instagram: ⁠LandTrustHunt⁠
Alex Maier on LinkedIn: ⁠linkedin.com/in/alex-maier⁠ (Note: Verify exact LinkedIn URL as it may vary)
Outdoor Industry Association: ⁠https://www.outdoorindustry.org⁠
MAP Lands Act and MAP Waters Act information: ⁠https://www.fs.usda.gov⁠ (Search for updates on legislation)
 
Notable Quotes:
"Anyone that says digitization of outdoor recreation is going to destroy it, I say it is what will save it." – Alex Maier
"If a system is serving the user but not the ecosystem or the environment, we’re failing." – Alex Maier
"Rec tech is about effective use of time outdoors… maximizing the enjoyment of that opportunity." – Nick DeCastro
"Online to get offline. That’s the beauty of what we’re building in rec tech." – Nick DeCastro
 
Conclusion:
This episode of the LandTrust Podcast with Alex Maier highlights the transformative power of rec tech in making outdoor recreation more accessible, sustainable, and enjoyable. By leveraging data and technology, platforms like onWater and LandTrust are not only helping enthusiasts find new places to fish, paddle, or hunt but also ensuring that these experiences support conservation and ethical practices. Whether you’re an outdoor enthusiast or curious about the future of recreation, this conversation offers a compelling look at how digital tools are paving the way for a more inclusive and responsible outdoor industry. Subscribe to the LandTrust Podcast for more insights from industry leaders shaping the future of the outdoors.

From Passion to Profit: Dan Chumbler on Scaling Tethrd and Navigating the Hunting Industry

How can a niche hunting innovation like saddle hunting transform an industry? Join host Nic De Castro as he sits down with Dan Chumbler, CEO of Tethrd, to explore the rise of ultralight saddle hunting gear and its impact on the outdoor industry. From Dan’s journey through iconic passion-driven brands like Louisville Slugger, Callaway, Polaris, and MeatEater to leading Tethrd’s mission to make hunting more mobile and accessible, this episode uncovers the strategies behind scaling a gear-focused company in a dynamic market. Discover how Tethrd is navigating post-tariff challenges, leveraging content to engage new hunters, and capitalizing on emerging opportunities in the hunting space. Perfect for outdoor enthusiasts, hunters, and business leaders interested in innovation and growth in passion-driven industries.
 
What You Will Learn
How saddle hunting is revolutionizing the way hunters approach the field with mobility and safety.
Strategies for aligning diverse stakeholders to drive business success in a passion-driven industry.
The impact of tariffs on gear manufacturing and how companies like Tethrd are adapting.
Insights into the evolving hunting market and opportunities for growth over the next five years.
 
Key Topics Discussed
The evolution of saddle hunting and why it’s become a game-changer for hunters.
Dan Chumbler’s career path through passion verticals and lessons learned from scaling MeatEater.
The challenges and opportunities of transitioning from a media-driven brand to a gear-focused company.
How tariffs are reshaping supply chains and pricing strategies in the outdoor industry.
The potential for a unified platform to enhance the hunting experience, from gear to trip planning.
The role of content in engaging new hunters and building a passionate community.
 
Show Resources and Links
Tethrd Website: ⁠Tethrd.com⁠
Tethrd Nation YouTube Channel: ⁠YouTube.com/@TethrdNation⁠
LandTrust Website: ⁠LandTrust.com⁠
LandTrust Field Notes: ⁠LandTrust.com/field-notes⁠
Follow Dan Chumbler on LinkedIn: ⁠linkedin.com/in/dan-chumbler⁠
LandTrust Instagram: ⁠instagram.com/LandTrust_Hunt⁠
Listen to the LandTrust Podcast on ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠, ⁠Spotify⁠, or ⁠YouTube⁠
 
Notable Quotes
“Saddle hunting is lighter, more mobile, safer, and just more versatile.” – Dan Chumbler
“Hunting is stable and healthy… there are a heck of a lot more non-hunters than hunters, and all we need is for them to be advocates and supporters.” – Dan Chumbler
“If you make it enjoyable, you make it fun where people want to do it, and in hunting, they need to find success.” – Dan Chumbler
“The companies that get built and can survive through these things… those are the companies that often do very, very well.” – Nic De Castro
 
Conclusion In this episode, Dan Chumbler shares a wealth of insights from his extensive career in passion-driven industries, offering a deep dive into how Tethrd is innovating in the hunting space with saddle hunting gear. From navigating tariffs to leveraging content for growth, Dan’s perspective highlights the resilience and opportunity in the outdoor industry. Whether you’re a hunter eager to explore saddle hunting or a business leader curious about scaling a niche brand, this conversation is packed with actionable takeaways. Tune in to learn how passion, innovation, and strategic alignment can drive success in the ever-evolving world of hunting.

Chasing the U.S. Super Slam: John Shefcik’s Unforgettable Turkey Hunt in Michigan

What makes a turkey hunt truly unforgettable? Join host Nic De Castro on the LandTrust Podcast as he dives into an exhilarating conversation with seasoned hunter John Shefcik, who shares his thrilling experience pursuing a spring turkey at Southwest Michigan Acres. In this episode, part of the Five Star Stories series, John reveals how he strategizes for success, the allure of turkey hunting, and why LandTrust is his go-to platform for accessing private land. Whether you’re a seasoned outdoorsman or new to the hunt, this episode offers insights into the art of turkey hunting and the value of private land access for stress-free outdoor adventures. Tune in to discover how to plan your next great hunt without wasting time or breaking the bank.
 
What You Will Learn
How to strategize for a successful turkey hunt based on real-time observations
The benefits of using LandTrust to access private land for hunting
Tips for leveraging reviews and due diligence to choose the right hunting property
Why turkey hunting is an addictive, interactive experience compared to other types of hunting
How to balance hunting goals with time constraints and personal priorities
 
Key Topics Discussed
John Shefcik’s pursuit of the U.S. Super Slam and what drives his passion for turkey hunting
The unique challenges and excitement of hunting turkeys on a 90-acre private property
How LandTrust simplifies access to private land, saving time and reducing stress
The importance of landowner relationships in creating memorable hunting experiences
Insights into scouting, using tools like OnX, and adapting strategies for different terrains
The rising costs of hunting access and how LandTrust offers affordable alternatives
 
Show Resources and Links
LandTrust Website: Explore properties and book your next hunt at ⁠landtrust.com⁠
Southwest Michigan Acres Property Listing: Check out the property where John hunted at ⁠landtrust.com/properties/southwest-michigan-acres⁠ (search for Southwest Michigan Acres)
Field Notes: Stay updated with landowner posts and scouting insights at ⁠landtrust.com/field-notes⁠
Landowner Inquiries: Learn how to list your land at ⁠landtrust.com/landowners⁠ or call/text 406-709-8450
X Platform for Updates: Follow LandTrust on X for real-time hunting and outdoor content at x.com/landtrust
 
Notable Quotes
“When you sit there and turkey hunt, that’s the excitement of it, right? You get to call, and all of a sudden, somebody actually answers you, and then you have this makeshift conversation.” — John Shefcik
“Nobody wants to waste time. That’s why I love LandTrust—it allows me to not waste time.” — John Shefcik
“Having a place to yourself allows you to not stress or wake up at 2:00 AM to try and get the spot.” — Nic De Castro
Conclusion
This episode of the LandTrust Podcast captures the thrill of the hunt and the value of accessing private land through LandTrust. John Shefcik’s story is a testament to the passion and strategy behind turkey hunting, as well as the relationships built with landowners that make these experiences unforgettable. Whether you’re chasing a U.S. Super Slam or simply seeking a weekend in the outdoors, LandTrust offers a seamless way to connect with private properties tailored to your hunting goals. Visit landtrust.com to explore properties, follow Field Notes for scouting updates, or contact the team to list your land. Join us next time for more stories from the LandTrust community.

FinTech, Firearms, and the Future of the Outdoor Industry: A Conversation with Dusty Wunderlich

What happens when financial innovation meets the constitutionally protected firearms industry?
Join host Nic De Castro on the LandTrust Podcast as he sits down with Dusty Wunderlich, Chief Strategy Officer at Public Square and board member at GrabAGun, to explore the intersection of FinTech, the outdoor industry, and economic trends shaping the future. From navigating de-banking challenges to the impact of tariffs and the rise of cryptocurrency, this episode uncovers insider perspectives on how the hook-and-bullet space is evolving. Perfect for landowners, outdoor enthusiasts, and investors curious about the digital outdoor economy.
 
What You Will Learn
How FinTech is transforming payment systems for the firearms and outdoor industries.
The historical and ongoing challenges of de-banking and capital suppression in the 2A space.
Insights into the economic effects of tariffs on outdoor gear manufacturing.
The potential role of cryptocurrency in creating privacy-focused transactions for hunters and gun owners.
Why private land access and digital platforms are key to the future of outdoor recreation.
 
Key Topics Discussed
The weaponization of the financial system against the firearms industry through initiatives like Operation Choke Point.
How tariffs could reshape manufacturing and consumption in the hook-and-bullet outdoor space.
The cultural and economic shift from consumerism to experiences and community-driven platforms.
The promise and challenges of cryptocurrency as a payment rail for 2A transactions.
The role of private land access in addressing the tragedy of the commons in hunting and fishing.
The need for standardized regulations and open-source solutions to streamline hunting across state lines.
 
Show Resources
PublicSquare: Learn more about Dusty's work at ⁠publicsquare.com⁠.
GrabAGun: Explore the e-commerce platform at ⁠grabagun.com⁠.
Dusty Wunderlich’s Blog: Dive into his economic insights at ⁠dustywunderlich.com⁠.
LandTrust: Discover private land access opportunities at ⁠landtrust.com⁠.
LandTrust Field Notes: Follow property updates at ⁠landtrust.com/field-notes⁠.
LandTrust YouTube Channel: Watch episodes at ⁠youtube.com/@LandTrust⁠.
 
Notable Quotes
"This is one of the only few constitutionally protected products. Why is it not being serviced by the financial industry?" – Dusty Wunderlich
"The industry should be five to six times the size it is on the hook-and-bullet side because of capital suppression." – Dusty Wunderlich
"Consumerism is dying, and it’s on its last leg. People are looking for experiences, they’re looking for scarcity, they’re looking for quality." – Dusty Wunderlich
"If you want hunting and fishing and outdoor access, you need to figure out private land." – Nic De Castro
"Sound money fixes most of these issues that we’re talking about. And it will fix the outdoor industry as well." – Dusty Wunderlich
 
Conclusion
This episode of the LandTrust Podcast offers a deep dive into the challenges and opportunities facing the outdoor industry, particularly in the firearms and hunting sectors. Dusty Wunderlich’s contrarian perspective, rooted in Austrian economics, sheds light on how financial systems, cultural shifts, and technological innovations are reshaping the hook-and-bullet space. From the promise of cryptocurrency to the importance of private land access, the conversation sparks curiosity about the future of outdoor recreation and the role of digital platforms in driving growth. Subscribe to the LandTrust Podcast for more unfiltered discussions with industry insiders, and visit landtrust.com to explore how you can engage with the outdoor economy as a landowner or sportsman.

Unforgettable Shed Hunting Adventure at Black Ranch: A Father-Son Journey in Montana

What makes a hunting trip truly unforgettable? Join us on the LandTrust Podcast for a heartwarming episode from our Five Star Stories series, where we dive into a father-son shed hunting adventure at Black Ranch in Montana’s Gallatin Gateway. Guest Dale Keller shares his 30-year quest for a moose paddle and the emotional moment his nine-year-old son, found his first elk shed. Discover how LandTrust connects outdoor enthusiasts with private landowners like Bayard Black, creating lifelong memories. From overcoming challenges to building unexpected friendships, this episode celebrates connection, perseverance, and the beauty of shared outdoor experiences.
 
What You Will Learn
How LandTrust facilitates unique outdoor experiences on private land
The emotional impact of a father-son hunting adventure
Tips for navigating shed hunting challenges, including tough terrain
The value of building relationships with landowners for memorable trips
 
Key Topics Discussed
The thrill of shed hunting and what drives a 30-year quest for a moose paddle
How a nine-year-old’s determination led to a tearful triumph in the snow
The role of LandTrust in opening private lands for public recreation
Why landowner relationships transform a transaction into a meaningful connection
The challenges of finding hunting access and how LandTrust solves them
 
Show Resources and Links
Book a Trip at Black Ranch: Visit ⁠landtrust.com⁠ and search for Black Ranch (Reese Place or Gallatin River listings).
Landowner Information: Interested in listing your land? Go to ⁠landtrust.com/landowners⁠ or call/text 406-709-8450.
Flathead Lake Charters: Book a fishing trip with Dale Keller at ⁠flatheadlakecharters.com⁠.
LandTrust Podcast: Explore more episodes at ⁠landtrust.com/podcast⁠.
 
Notable Quotes
“He looks at me with his teary eyes and he’s just crying with tears of joy, you know? And it was just a little old rag horn, but it made his life.” — Dale Keller, on his son Cedar’s first elk shed
“You can’t buy those memories that are made with your son, you know?” — Dale Keller
“If you go into it with the right mindset, you’re guaranteed to have a great time.” — Dale Keller, on using Land Trust
This episode of the LandTrust Podcast captures the essence of what makes outdoor adventures unforgettable: family, perseverance, and connection. Dale and Cedar’s story at Black Ranch reminds us that the journey—through snow, setbacks, and surprises—is as rewarding as the destination. Whether you’re a seasoned hunter or new to the outdoors, LandTrust opens doors to experiences that create lifelong memories. Tune in, get inspired, and start planning your next adventure at landtrust.com.

Opening Up a Century Farm: Matt Graham on Hosting Outdoor Adventures at Graham Farms

How can a historic family farm become a hub for outdoor enthusiasts? Join host Nick DeCastro on The LandTrust Podcast as he visits Graham Farms in Eagleville, Missouri, a Missouri Century Farm owned by the Graham family since 1886. In this episode, landowner Matt Graham shares how he’s transformed his family’s legacy into a thriving destination for hunters, anglers, and nature lovers through LandTrust. Discover the impact of opening private land to guests, the joys of sharing Missouri’s outdoors, and the innovative ways technology is connecting people with nature. Perfect for landowners curious about hosting and outdoor enthusiasts seeking unique experiences. 
What You Will Learn:
How a century-old family farm leverages LandTrust to share its land with outdoor enthusiasts. 
The benefits and challenges of hosting hunters and anglers on private property. 
How hosting through LandTrust creates new revenue streams and supports direct-to-consumer agriculture. 
Tips for landowners considering opening their land for recreational access.
Key Topics Discussed:
The history and significance of Graham Farms as a Missouri Century Farm. 
Matt Graham’s experience hosting spring turkey hunts and fishing trips, including memorable guest milestones. 
The role of LandTrust in simplifying land access with insurance and structure for landowners. 
How building a cabin enhanced the guest experience and added value to the property. 
The unexpected popularity of fishing trips and the rise of repeat visitors. 
Matt’s direct-to-consumer Wagyu beef program and its connection to hosting.
Show Resources and Links:
Visit Graham Farms on LandTrust: landtrust.com/listings/graham-farms (search for Graham Farms). 
Learn about hosting on LandTrust: landtrust.com/landowners. 
Contact LandTrust: Call or text (406) 709-8450. 
LandTrust Website: landtrust.com.
Notable Quotes:
“It’s important to me to be able to continue to provide that legacy to my children and to let others come in and see how beautiful it is here in North Central Missouri.” — Matt Graham 
“It’s really fun to be able to share that kind of stuff that folks are gonna remember forever, here on the farm.” — Matt Graham 
“It’s sort of like an Airbnb for hunters, really.” — Matt Graham, on LandTrust’s model.
This episode of The LandTrust Podcast offers a heartfelt look at how Matt Graham is preserving his family’s legacy while embracing modern opportunities through LandTrust. From hosting first-time turkey hunters to sharing farm-fresh Wagyu beef, Matt’s story showcases the power of connecting people with private land. Whether you’re a landowner exploring new income streams or an outdoor enthusiast seeking your next adventure, Graham Farms is a testament to the rewards of blending tradition with innovation. Visit landtrust.com to explore Graham Farms or learn how to become a host.